UPDATE: Lev Tahor Custody Battle

Lev Tahor lawyer Chris Knowles addresses the media. Lev Tahor lawyer Chris Knowles addresses the media.

Two children from the Jewish sect Lev Tahor are being returned to their parents.

According to Lev Tahor Lawyer Chris Knowles, the brother and sister were taken from their home by a Chatham-Kent Children’s Services case worker Thursday night after they saw what they thought to be symptoms of child abuse.

“They observed some marks on the child’s face. They commenced their investigation, they sought the assistance of the police, the police ultimately determined there was no criminal activity, but based on the society’s determination they apprehended the children,” says Knowles.

The judge presiding over the case has decided that there wasn’t enough evidence of abuse to take the children from their family. The issue is due back in court for a care and custody hearing on January 31. CK Children’s Services requested and was denied a full publication ban earlier today.

19 Comments

  1. Rooster

    December 17, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    If police determinded that no crime has taken place why are these kids taken from there parents?
    Why does CAS want a publication ban? I think it is to hide there wrong doings in this and several other cases.
    CAS is a private contracted company, similar to the companies that issue licences at the private MTO offices. They are not a goverment organization.
    If anyone knows a way to help these kids get back to there parents please post. I would help if I knew a way.

    • Stumpedmom

      December 17, 2013 at 5:29 pm

      They are being returned. Judge ordered it today as per this article, there was nit enough evidence of abuse…looks great that CKCS got nothing they asked for…All residents of CK open your eyes…this is a typical thing they do just it’s never published!!! Here’s hoping people start to learn about wrongdoings done like tjis everyday!!!

    • Brian

      December 17, 2013 at 6:58 pm

      Rooster!

      I think that you simply have to go over to this Jewish community, have documented their lives, make often friendly unannounced visits, than you can be a witness for the true (I believe – in favor of the community) in any case regarding this community.

    • Lee Bolton

      December 17, 2013 at 11:53 pm

      All this nonsense will continue as long as people keep ignoring the facts 1. Cas is a PRIVATE CORPORATION
      2. They make money based on the amount of children in care
      3. Cas has a lot to lose if people wake up
      4. More children are abused in foster care than their own homes
      5. Cas is targeting mostly poor families right now but will be moving on up the chain once they have all those kids
      6. More kids die in foster care than in their own homes
      7. According to the Honorable Glen Murray, Minister of Transportation “80-90% of kids raped and sexually abused in their own homes live in nice middle class suburban homes where the parents are executives and powerful members of their community”….so cas is in the wrong part of town. Anyone wanting a link to Glen Murrays statement please feel free to message me…he made the statement on April 12 in Queens Park in a public forum.

  2. Rachel

    December 17, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    Because that’s what CAS does. I’m actually shocked these kids are being returned because the judges here normally always side with CAS. Kudos to someone sticking up for justice. The police are trained to investigate criminal complaints whereas many of the CAS workers don’t even have the qualifications most people think they do. Many many families in CK have been ripped apart by CAS even though the police have not found evidence of abuse. We need to come together as a community & help parents/families that need help instead of thinking this agency always helps. They can deal with the serious allegations that police refer to them but otherwise we should be helping our neighbours in times of need, not turning them over to an agency that, in this community, is power hungry & think they know better than police & the court of law. Its about time the agency was put in their place & I hope this continues because too many innocent children are being harmed by CK CAS. Families are never the same after they’re involved, and not in a good way.

    • TL

      December 18, 2013 at 11:38 am

      Communism at its best! No longer are we as Canadians innocent until proven guilty. Not to CAS. They have way too much power. Thanks for tearing our family apart, its especially sad this time of the year.
      God Bless evryone this Holiday season, especially my daughter where ever she may end up.

  3. Crow

    December 18, 2013 at 8:36 am

    CAS believes they are above everyone including the law. They feed on the low income families as they do not have the resources to fight back. If one has $50, 000 to fight the CAS, they can make the CAS look stupid in court.
    Why does the CAS want a publication ban? Easy, to hide their corrupt tactics!
    Record all conversations with the CAS so one’s words cannot be twisted in their affidavits.
    Write a letter to the CAS and your child’s school stating you do not wish the Society to speak with your child without permission. The CAS can be charged with illegal detention if they ignore this! The Interviews with children and the childs words can be twisted and also scared the child to get the answers they want!

    • TL

      December 18, 2013 at 11:34 am

      Thanks my family is one of them. I have spent most of this week crying because I will not get to see my 16 year old who wants to be with us for Christmas but CAS says no. They have successfully split up my husband of 23 years and I, I have left my home and now they wont even let my mother see her. We have never been charged with any type of child abuse and no one can help us. Lawyer’s bills are mounting and CK Police can do nothing for us!

      • Cassandra

        December 19, 2013 at 11:06 am

        TL…if your child is 16 they can legally walk out of cas and come home and there is nothing any of them can do about it. They can legally sign themselves out and come home.

  4. Jane Scharf

    December 18, 2013 at 9:17 am

    I want the provincial government to continue to take over CAS operations across the province so that the system would have Ombudsman oversight and the social workers would have to be registered by the College of Social Workers. And I want to see the province just do social work for the families and deem section 40 of the Child and Family Services Act which gives social workers policing power deemedfkmmk unconstitutional. Leaving the police to operate without interference under the Criminal Code which does not allow apprehensions without evidence of neglect or abuse.

    • Rachel

      December 18, 2013 at 2:49 pm

      I agree with you. That’s exactly what should happen.

  5. citizen

    December 18, 2013 at 11:52 am

    How about all the abuse that is still rampant out there. Quit worrying about rights of people who don’t want to work within the Canadian system. Worry that we as Canadians close our eyes to child abuse because we don’t want to be intrusive. Yes, our system has flaws, but take away powers of people who are fighting child abuse and we might as well stop being Canadian.

    • Rachel

      December 18, 2013 at 2:45 pm

      Clearly you’ve never had the “privilege” of having false accusations against you in CK. There is and has always been child abuse worldwide – although what one culture calls abuse, another doesn’t, so it really varies doesn’t it.
      CK CAS does need their powers completely stripped, and anyone that is not a foster parent receiving money from them, or is not affiliated with CAS by way of relation or employment, will probably tell you the same thing. They get involved with families that are not abusive, in families where children are doing well, in families where busy bodies have just wanted to cause trouble because of their own unhappiness, in families where the police specifically tell them there are no abuse grounds but CK CAS still pursues it. If a child doesn’t like living at home because the rules are too strict (no smoking at home underage, no drugs, no opposite sex sleeping over), they can run to CAS & CK CAS will put them in a home that will allow them to do whatever they want. That’s a fact, its happened over & over & over & is still happening right now! And do you know what the court papers say when a child refuses to come home just because they aren’t allowed to do drugs and have underage premarital sx in the family home? The court papers say the child was APPREHENDED! Pretty sick eh?! And theres nothing that can be done about it because CK CAS has this power that they do not deserve and should not have!

      I personally would never raise my kids as the Lev Tahor do, but its nothing against them personally, there’s many religions and cultures I would never raise my children like, but I truly feel for them in CK having to deal with all of this. I hope what justice is true justice is served, and I hope that the kids don’t suffer more than they already have by being ripped and threatened to be ripped from their families.

      Keep strong all of you that have had to endure such things at the hands of CK CAS. Keep strong Lev Tahor community, you have many backing you, even those that don’t have the same belief system.

      • Rachel

        December 18, 2013 at 2:46 pm

        To add to my 1st paragraph, it isn’t meant that child abuse should continue to occur, just that CAS should be there for the families that really need it, not making up numbers to get funding or more jobs or just because they are power hungry.

    • Linda Plourde

      December 21, 2013 at 6:58 pm

      2006 ~ 83 Angels
      2007 ~ 90 Angels
      2008 ~ 105 Angels
      2009 ~ 120 Angels
      2010 ~ 105 Angels
      2011 ~ 109 Angels
      2012 ~ Angels 719 Angels died invisibly under Ontario secretive child-welfare system

      Unintentional killing is not morally imputable. But one is not exonerated from grave offense if, without proportionate reasons, he has acted in a way that brings about someone’s death, even without the intention to do so.

  6. Huh?

    December 18, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    Boy, it sure sounds like a lot of commenters here have been investigated by the CAS. Yeah, you’re right, it would be much better if nobody looks out for the health & well-being of children. All parents are good parents, especially the crack & meth addicts. It’s the kids’ own fault if they have to be scalded & choked & beaten to teach them a lesson. Children don’t need baths or clean clothes or their open sores bandaged. It’s fine if kindergarten pupils bring hypodermic syringes and crack pipes to school for show & tell because their house is full of them. Leave them home alone while mom goes to the bar, they haven’t even learned to crawl yet. Heaven forbid a CAS worker dares to question anybody’s parenting skills.

    • Rachel

      December 18, 2013 at 8:04 pm

      Actually only 1 person stated they’ve been investigated, you are assuming. You don’t have to be the ones investigated to know what CK CAS has done & is doing – its common knowledge to anyone that doesn’t have their head in the clouds.
      And those abuses above that you mentioned can be investigated by the police then referred to CAS because they are criminal offenses, and parents raising their kids like that should be investigated! But clearly you are not aware of the more common investigation by ck cas & file opening – that which a problem is created by cas that did not actually exist before.

    • Trish

      December 23, 2013 at 10:36 am

      CAS is a necessity in society. What needs to happen is they need to be revamped so they are not allowed to break so many laws including the Criminal Code and the Charter of Rights. CAS needs to be accountable to us the taxpayers who fund the not for profit corporations across the province. The most unfortunate part is CKCAS targets parents who are easy targets and can lie in sworn documents with no repercussions, unlike anyone else who would end up with a big fine or thrown in jail. Please research this topic and inform yourself. Look up Brantford CAS and read the leaked memo telling workers to keep any files open and to open all files possible until after the fiscal year end. Proof of the corruption!!!

  7. Linda Plourde

    December 21, 2013 at 7:03 pm

    The Child Protective Services
    Child Abuse & Betrayal
    No story can be told unless you understand how the system works. People don’t understand what the Child Protective Services really means. We need to understand how the Children’s Aid seizes unlimited control, and how this is happening.
    In my opinion when the Children’s Aid became secure, realized they could get billions, with no oversight, no accountability or transparency is when they seized their golden chance to get billions from the government. They believed people would never stand up, and demand accountability.
    After all they “save” children.

    They also found something when they came across people that would believe in their powerful words. Useful tools, to promote their agenda. Many people believe all families involved with CAS/CCAS are drug addicts, alcoholics , child abusers and generally bad people, who deserve to lose their children, and CAS are” the good people” who protect children. They use this assumption as a way to attract rich, educated people to become useful tools. They are using people and the media in a very clever way. Many believe the propaganda, however the reality is something you cannot imagine unless you have been involved, seen and witnessed the corruption t firsthand. It is beyond imagination! These agencies are private corporations but they should not be. The minute you take tax dollars you need to be accountable. It is our money. For a corporation s to take our money, our children, without accountability is like a third world country. It is also very wrong to have shareholders, and yes the corporations of Child Protective Services have shareholders.

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